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parenting, first of all, it's basically impossible, like raising humans into like happy adults.
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It's so hard and so difficult, but it's the most fulfilling thing in the world. So just that right
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there, there's so much opportunity for hilarious content, but also just very like sentimental.
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Though at that point in my life, I'm being asked, I would have taken a job running a media brand
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for all sorts of things. It wouldn't have had to be about being in debt. It could have been like a
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meme brand about like basket weaving and I'd be all over it. It signed me up. I got lucky.
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Every artist has his or her own creative process to help them hone their craft and execute their
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vision. But nothing throws a wrench and a routine quite like having a baby. How to create
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a justice to still find that time and energy needed to dedicate to their work. How has
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becoming a father impacted their creative process and material they create? I'm Tyler Guilden.
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I'm the writer, producer, director, and podcast host. Most importantly, I'm a father at two.
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A four-year-old boy and a three-year-old girl. Yep, there are 367 days apart.
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Hopefully my guests can help me and possibly some my listeners,
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with some much needed guidance from their experience, juggling parenthood and being a creative.
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This is father material.
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Today's episode I was speaking with Joel Willis, father at two former editor and chief of the
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dad, the very popular social media parenting brand. Also has a new book coming out called
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"Dadlaw" pretty much a master of all things parenting and content. I'm really excited about this
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conversation, so let's just jump right into it. Joel, how you doing? I'm going to show my face with
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my blast of my snack here. What is that snack? Have you ever had little bites?
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Have I ever had little bites? Who has not had little bites? My kids love them, but I end up eating
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more of them than they do. My only issue is there's five muffins in here. I need 15. Give me
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large bites. I actually aren't there like four. I think there's five. I think five would be generous.
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I'm pretty sure it's just four. Maybe it's five. Is it a four piece? We're a big deal. See
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there way. Not enough. There's not enough little bites. Did they used to be called mini muffins
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or did I just make up the name mini muffins? I feel like growing up there were mini muffins and
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then they became little bites. I'm not sure if my wife sometimes will say on accidental say like
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tiny bites and my daughter and I think that's hilarious was come up with different words.
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You know like the mini mull. Yeah, mini-skilled pastries. That's what's actually that's funny.
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My wife this work said that's why it doesn't pay attention when she's making my kids breakfast
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and just wants to shut them up so she just gives them things. This morning my son had woke me up at
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I don't know. Five something and he he he he he he he he he he he he he what is bad he's four years
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all these gone through the whole process he what is bad so I put it back and then I I put myself to
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you know back to sleep I put myself to sleep then I went back to sleep also. So this morning for breakfast my
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wife took the shift first to give me a little bit more rest and then also I noticed that she gave my son
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for breakfast little bites they had little bites and then a pop tart and then she was giving him
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a quassant and I said I was like how many calories you try to feed the skid and she's like
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honestly I didn't even realize what I was I think she was just like you know my kids are four and three
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and they're just like asking for things so she's just like okay please be quiet dad's not here
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I'm just dealing with it and I was like what are you feeding these children yeah that's just like a lot of
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carboloads there's a lot of people living for a marathon or something over there she at least admitted she's
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like I honestly was not paying attention I guess she just she forgot which kid was asking for what and
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didn't realize it was all the same child asking for all of that so yeah why the breakfast he had
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yeah so how how old you have us on and a daughter also I believe right do I do my daughter's 13
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and my son just turned 11 last Friday so you were you were definitely at a at a different stage
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got the early teens the double digits I'm at my son is four my daughter's three so I'm definitely
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a little bit behind I can't imagine how much I guess things have to be different as they get older I'm
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sure there's big difference between four and three and yeah you got 11 you got four and three that's the
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best man so could all the cliches are true it's like cherish the moments all that crap it's so true
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that's the best like babies people don't say this people are afraid to talk about this but babies are
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terrible they just cry all the time and it's hard to really make that connection but once they start talking
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it's the best and it just keeps getting better keeps getting better yeah I think it keeps getting
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but maybe it's plateauing now on the teenage years oh no oh yeah it's amazing though because yeah even
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just in four years and three years there's already little things they did that I miss so I'd
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imagine by the time they're 14 and 11 there's so many of those innocent isms and whatnot that
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your kids did and now you're like oh now they're like I know Joe come my kids are like people now
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but they're not people compared to your children who are literally people yeah I don't want to break
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your heart or anything this early in the podcast but my daughter and I were like we're really close we're like
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good friends and love hanging out and stuff and now lately she doesn't want to hang out as much
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like she'll go to a room or hang out with her friends more and oh it's the worst yeah my son is very very attached
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to me and yeah I can imagine that that must be tough when they get to that age and you're like
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I'm sure you still want to be all your daddy's girl but at the same time she's 14 and she has friends and
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you got to have to let her be so how do you how do you straddle that yeah yeah I mean it's tough you I mean my
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number one thing we're getting right into it this is this is the following here is get into what
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your kids are into so whatever it is they're into whatever stage however old they are what they're
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interests are try to get into that right my daughter was like three or four like yours she was real into
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my little pony so all of a sudden I had a favorite my little pony I did it was it was Flutter shy
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do you miss Flutter shy did you do you good times you guys had I gotta do I get I get the fandom
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around my little pony I understand it I can't mix with it it's my little pony still around because I
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only remember the growing up the the song is the song still the song you're like my little pony there's
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no friends like pony friends I remember those commercials all the time I think that song makes this it
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sounds a little different than what you were just singing and why not hit a get on tune if you have
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or not hit my little pony evolved it's musical you know it's a bill of peace beyond me I'll just say this
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Tyler you might have been a little off key I think you could run this on YouTube and you won't get hit
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with a DMCA copyright strike is what I'm saying it's not that spot on but it was pretty good is it
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techno now what's the new version of the my little pony song it's probably they probably have
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a whole TV show now this probably a whole different world of it yeah augmented reality video game or something
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I don't know I don't mean I'm out of it I'm out of it now too so have you been someone always at your
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core was a creative and trying to create things I understand you were at GE for a while before you kind of
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found the death so it spines me where these creative genes came from because a lot of the podcast is not just
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only on fatherhood but also that type of material you create and how you kind of balance the
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two worlds so where did this creative I guess urge come from sure I mean I think everybody has it to a certain
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extent and that's definitely true for me I've always been like super nerdy about comedy just really
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love comedy entertainment all that stuff even though I'm very introverted at heart but in college and
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in high school I never really gave a lot of thought like what I wanted to be when I when I grew up you know
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it was like what's the safe path what where can I make a comfortable living and it's fine you know
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and won't require too much work right it led me to a tech career so I was a GE leading data science
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initiatives for jet engine engineering which creative fulfillment speaking is it's not for a high
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on the charts it was cool people I worked with their cool work was interesting but towards the end
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I felt like my soul was dying a little every day with the long commutes and then in this meetings
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and I was climbing the corporate ladder and all that like I got to get out of here I put together
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what I call a five-year corporate escape plan with my wife and then like I like the sound of that
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yeah yeah it's like learn how to create content you know like get out there and basically just
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start writing jokes on Twitter things like that eventually get published places with its longer form writing
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stuff like that I wrote a novel I did a children's book and all these things looking for that
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future path whatever it may be eventually I connected with Jill Smokler from Scary Mommy and I wrote
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for Scary Mommy for two years and then when they're parent company on intended wanted to start a
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dad brand I was I was in the right place at the right time. Got it so essentially I guess you launched the
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dad with them that was a co-partner shift type of an idea it wasn't something you came to them with
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it was more of organically you were there writing some dad stuff they wanted to launch dad's you're the
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guy to do it yeah it was just so serendipitous it was perfect I was I was already you know doing things for
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them you know like are you interested in possibly leading up a dad brand was it like yes of course at that
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time where I was in corporate life and stuff like this is an acceleration on that five-year plan and it's
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a dream job absolutely and then we got to be in that you know collaborative partnership type of
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arrangement or we got to talk about what it could be ideally what it should look like what the team should
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be like all of that stuff from from the start and then I got to join as essentially a salary to
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employee for a media company so it's kind of the best of both worlds in terms of you know working for
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a company versus like you know starting or anything right well and I guess so where were you in terms of
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how how how when did you become a father I guess how long were you working at GE as a dad or
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guess you know how many years of fatherhood wisdom did you have that you were bringing that dad yeah yeah
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by that point I was or I was I was dead inside no I'm just kidding
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the white my daughter's dad inside you were dad inside my hair was my hair was very gray already I'll say
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that my my daughter's born 2009 and I left to start the dad in 2017 yeah 17 my daughter was at eight
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my son was like five so I was well on the on the dad journey at that point for sure I was in the
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thick of it yeah so how did you balance I think I've heard you say this before when you're
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interviewed you know you were a dad in your professional life and you know and your personal life you
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you're getting to kind of do the same it both ways so I guess how did one impact the other obviously naturally
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you're pulling from your actual life as a dad to bring you know content but I guess yeah I guess how
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did you balance the two worlds of a at one point where is it ever like all right dad stopped
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mining us for content like how did you ever draw a line they were never like that they've never been
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like they're very outgoing hilarious kids so they're they're down for that sort of game for sure
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if they ever were like don't do that I would definitely not do that for sure but including them in
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content aside I think the balance I really can't say enough for working from home honestly
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when I was at my last corporate job I was in one hour commute each way and I would I would drive
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to a parking lot get on the bus and take a bus downtown and go to a new work and then come back you know
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and then at night I was I was teaching at a university I was doing a parenting thing I was doing
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scary mommy stuff like I was so busy that I didn't have a good work life balance and even though
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the dad was an intense amount of work I saved so much time by being able to work from home and
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simplify my commute my life that I was working harder than ever but getting to spend more time
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with my family than ever too which is important because technically you can make the case that you're doing
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research that you're that is a part of your job at the dad is to be a dad as much as possible so
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therefore you shouldn't have to go to an office you have a good you have a good cell there that's right
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I need the fodder I need the father fodder for the for the memes if my kids aren't frustrating me then
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I don't have anything to joke about exactly you got to put you got to put that fuel in the tank so
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but what was it about being a dad like because in theory I guess if you had a creative gene in a bug to
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kind of get out of corporate world and go into some sort of content what was it about being a dad was just
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what you felt was the most organic to you because that's where you were in your life or you know what
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what is it about fatherhood that strikes you as such a a unique place to build content from
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all man I think parenting first of all it's basically impossible like raising humans into like
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happy adults like it's just it's it's so hard and so difficult but it's the most fulfilling thing in the world
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so just that right there there's so much an opportunity for for hilarious content but also just
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very like sentimental content as well like I truly believe that raising kids and parenting it's like it's the
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meaning of life for me it's not for me but for me even when I was like young 20s and I would
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make like a bucket list of things I want to do and like being a dad was always on there it's like yeah
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I definitely you know want to do that so that was always there I think though at that point in my
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life I'm being asked I would have taken a job running a media brand for all sorts of things it wouldn't have
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had to be being a dad it could have been like a meme brand about like basket weaving and I'd be all over it
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sign me up so I got lucky it sounds exciting you know listen maybe you could make it happen
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this if you have enough enough comedic chops you could make that work I don't know if the basket
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would be as exciting as the dad but who knows if there's some weaver's out there no I think it worked out
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for the better for everyone that it that it that happened to be about being a dad it was it was fantastic
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yeah no I mean I couldn't have asked for a better fit and I've said it before but I'm just like
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so grateful for some spider and the leaders there to give me a shot at being able to have that job
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but also just like being that position to begin with was just very very lucky
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when you're hiring at the dad how important is it to hire other dads or parents I guess when you're building a
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team of content and also not every I'm sure there are many you know the dad is sound singular
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but there's many different experiences of being a dad so I'm just curious how you went about
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creating content or assembling a team to kind of put out these different you know voices out there
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yeah the singularity of the was the brand name always bugged me a little bit
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that's tricky to navigate I always wanted to make sure when we post content we would say like we and we'd
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be very plural about it so that people recognize that it's a team and not an individual and also we would
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say in our description like the dad is not a person it's a lifestyle things like that right so there's that
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other than that I mean yeah that's an interesting question we I wouldn't care so much about
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if somebody was a dad or not personally like not not really at all it was more about the creative
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talent ability to create interesting and funny and good content and in fact our first hire deputy editor of
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the dad was a mom named Ali probest and she's just a creative powerhouse just like so good like
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an idea machine and it was it's way more important that she's just amazing creatively than then
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that she's you know male or or dad right so no that wasn't that wasn't really too much of a consideration
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there happens that experiences definitely helps so being a parent in general I think is definitely
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a bonus but even still I guess you can make the case that even if you just had a dad you know you're
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not a parent but you had a dad you know it's that kind of multi-layer whether you're a dad you're
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married to a dad you had a dad you know there's there's different layers of that no it's funny you say
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that the we and those models because you know I was you know at a lead daily for for a long time and we had
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that same type of trick with like being like the voice of Jen Y and millennials but then like you know
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we didn't want to alien anyone else so we would say like it's a millennial mindset so it's not just
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millennials it's the mindset of the millennials and that was how we would expand to like Gen X and Z
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and etc. Yeah when you have an identity based brand it's a tricky tricky waterstown navigate
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for sure but yeah you don't need to you don't need to be a dad to write for the dad you don't need to
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be a dad to follow the dad we all know some dads in our lives right and they're they're quirky you know
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they have dad jokes whatever whatever so yeah just having that awareness of what it's like is all
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what all that you need so when did the what did the dad really take off because I feel like there was a
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certain point where all of sudden it just got really big and I'm always following these different
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publishers just from being in the digital publisher space was there a certain point or a certain
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a certain meme or a certain video I mean I know you guys were doing some fantastic video work I actually
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know some of the guys who were working on your team doing some video stuff so what was there any
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certain piece of content that helped or a certain launch of anything that made it get bigger
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oh it's just kind of organic growth oh I think it it doesn't flows right I think it's like a little
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stair step approach the early days were intensely exciting in terms of growth because even every
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every week there was some kind of hit that took off and we'd see a big stair step and like oh I got
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just thrilling right we started a zero followers on Facebook we actually acquired a brand that I
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started called the GladStort on Instagram and Twitter so we didn't have to start from zero there which is
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helpful visitor tough fair tough platforms for that we did we did like an intern on company poll how many
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followers on Facebook would we have after two months we ended up and people were saying 10,000,
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20,000, 50,000 we ended up over a hundred thousand and two months which was just beyond my wildest
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expectations there were probably videos and memes during that time that contributed maybe more than others
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but I really feel like it was just more consistency you know post in every other hour
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every single day nonstop not missing a slot everyone of those pieces of content is a lot of
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very ticket and social algorithms sort of smelt trust me I know the world well I remember yeah I'd like
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yeah we first broke a million you know Facebook or we got a hundred thousand YouTube I mean it's cool
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when you're feeling like you're really building something and actually getting an audience and engaging
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with it and yeah you guys put out such you know it's relatable fun content and through this I was following
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you guys before I was a dad and I was still getting a kick out of it and then once I became a dad
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I was just like okay now I'm now I'm like really in this and invested so you know it's it's cool to
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connect because I've just been following for a while and now the dad likely all part of the same
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bustle digital studio universe as they've acquired everybody of whether you're the voice or the
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mindset of millennials or you're the you're the dad or you're anybody really you're just a human
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now that's where you live yeah digital web the elite dad the millennial mindset dad that speaks to me
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I mean that's where this podcast came from you know a lot of what I enjoy doing at elite daily
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was I was a millennial I was making content for the most part that I resonated with so it felt authentic
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and that's why I launched this podcast and I looked for other parenting endeavors some clients I
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worked with are you know brands who you know produce you know kids stuff because it feels the most genuine
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to me because it's what I'm experiencing and I feel like you a lot of comedy or you know just creative
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comes from your own experience so you know being a dad is definitely the largest looming thing in my
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life right now that it doesn't appear to be going anywhere for some time yeah that's right yeah it brings
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up a lot of emotions so at the end of the day you want to be able to scroll through some of those
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through content that drives and makes you not feel like you're in this thing alone for sure for sure
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yeah and you mentioned video I did see that you talked to Rob King which is awesome
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based on that I spoke to Rob and and I know Ben Stumpf very I've know Ben for years we started
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like UCB you know class together years ago and I've been I've bugged him to do the dad content
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for like three four years now you know we have we have it across our project yet but I'm on his list
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somewhere but he did a bunch of stuff for me and I'll eat daily you know we've we've done a couple
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things together so he's great to yeah Ben's amazing Rob's amazing Nick Fabiano all great guys
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yeah the video studio for the dad was a force and just having that level of production quality
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from the very get go was like a huge amplifier too right see talk about specific pieces of content
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I mean there were definitely stars all over the place that took off but one of the first like mega
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ones that got us like in the news and stuff was out of the video studio and it was a fucking break
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if you remember that one you had to believe that I don't know no yeah I remember I remember that one
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I was a good you know I guess satirical type of spot so I do remember that and yeah I mean I feel like
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you know a lot of great content has come out of the dad so I've ever appreciated following so tell me now
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about dad law as you build off of more dad content so tell me about the book what about dad law
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dad law yeah so this I it's a little bit of a longer story than you may expect but I want to tell
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it all a few years into the dad um Ali wanted to depy editor the dad she wanted to write a book
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she had this amazing idea for a book very involved in in content driven and amazing the leadership
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at the time the company said that seems like a lot let's try something smaller and easier and so
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we created basically a book of memes called the dad book myself published it we created a daily calendar
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dadism which did extremely well all these things it really well so we wrote another book called the dad law
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and self published it and now even though I'm no longer with the dad this book is being published
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this year and now it's called dad law so it's just dad law and it's basically a reimagining of
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that book with the traditional publisher and we are super excited about it so are you
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a writer on it a co-writer on it I guess who is this book coming out from the dad it's also what's the
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I guess who who is the author what is the origin of this dad so here here you go I don't know if you
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publish video from these things but here here's the here's the dad here is I'm gonna say
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"Dud Dad Law" this is dad law written by Ali Probst and Joel Willis so we are the authors
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on this thing it's also affiliated with the dad of course and it's published by a chronicle
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chronicle books and so inside it what is it what is the context of it it's it's filled with
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anecdotes it's filled with memes it's filled with laws what is the you know what is the context
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the idea is when you become a dad and apparently there are certain things that you just
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catch yourself doing like immediately and I would take it a step further and say you have to
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do those things those are the dad law those things you have to do like and it's just a collection of those
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things separated by different topics so dad vice and cliches is section X well the first one up
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section X article nine a dad more or minus family if it ain't broke don't fix it
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that's it's it's hundreds or thousands of those sorts of things and if you're eating like me you
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probably think you're so I probably don't do that many cliches that things but if you flip through
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it's like oh my god I do all of this and that's it yeah every dad is different but I'm sure there's
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that there's some underlying themes that probably mostly all of us or anybody yeah you know you have
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kids and also you just to everyone says I don't want to turn into my own father but then like
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somehow you just turn into your own dad it's like those progressive commercials that are actually pretty funny
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of like we can't you know we can't help you from turning into your parent those are like kind of
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give me a left so let's play actually speaking of dad isums and things let's do a quick game of
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dad lives you down for some dad lives I love it I love it I guess do this so give me let me get to adjectives
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oh my god I gotta I gotta reframe my state of mind for this I haven't heard you do this before what
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what are we looking for here are they very dad related adjectives or just be anything okay
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hilarious and smelly I mean if you if you play adlips with like my kids or any kid really I think
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that like all the answers are like fart but poop and stuff right and they do work and usually they do work
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you know but the makers of you know I'm a bad man to know that I keep that in mind give me a
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adverb um hastily all right let me get a number I gotta go three on this I gotta go number three
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let me get another adjective smart let me get an emotion
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devastated let me get a song lyric that's long lyric okay um haters gonna hate I'm going to see
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Taylor Swift with my daughter this summer and I'm so excited we're gonna we're gonna dress up
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from with our favorite Taylor Swift album like inspired by our favorite Taylor Swift album it's
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gonna be incredible she is she is Swifty oh yeah I mean me too well you said you gotta get to you said
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it get into what your kids are into so you are now rocking Taylor Swift I like it 100% you know I'm
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ever more I love ever more now she is a braid in the back of my flannel shirt and I told her I want
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to wear a braid to the concert like just like that she doesn't want she doesn't want me to do that
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so take care of you me a body part oh I gotta go but we're gone but I like it all right give me a period of time
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um we'll say the late 1900s I guess I guess not a time period I guess I length of time a length of time
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but that works Taylor um we'll say a century that what you mean century perfect perfect
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uh let's get me a uh favorite internet meme um I'll go with the uh this is fine dog
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you know I mean one in the fire yep and I get me one more uh and be off of the verb um well we
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here we'll go for it we'll do for it I'm gonna keep it soft and more it all right let's run this one back
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as a hilarious father of two smelly kids I can easily say that being a dad is the number three
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smartest thing I ever happened to me when we first found out we were gonna be parents my first reaction was
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pure devastation as I shouted haters gonna hate at the top of my butt as I knew my life would be
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changed for a century being a father's a lot like this is fine dog every day I just want to fart with joy
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wow that's it's her now better than I expected that was that was one of the best ones I think that
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really uh that hit it that hit nicely that was that was art that was art that you know that is how
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arts made why do artists spend all the time working out things when they could just do something as simple
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as that just add a little I think that's what they're doing I think Taylor Swift songs are just
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dad lives just a series of ad lives that was amazing thank you so let's yeah no that was great let's
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see a couple of rapid father questions all right so these are some would you rather which rather
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changed dirty diapers are a symbol kids toys oh man I don't mind either of those things just I guess a
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symbol kids toys yeah be in charge of the morning routine or the bedtime routine bedtime for sure
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not a morning person be in charge of cutting toenails or attending pediatrician appointments
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I don't mind you that this thing's the toenails good it's less time would you rather your kid wake up two
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hours earlier or stay up two hours past bedtime two hours past bedtime for sure yeah easy
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would you rather get a call to come to your kid school because they poop themselves or because they
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cursed out their teacher I got 11 and 13 year olds they poop themselves oh lord we've got a problem
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I cursed out of the teacher and stuff like this point so I guess well this one's not real well I
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guess you kind of said it at the beginning but what's your what's your kid's favorite food to eat or take
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off their plate that yeah you wouldn't probably eat if you never kids how would you yeah little bites
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little bites are up there I would say my daughter loves mac and cheese though I probably wouldn't
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need as much mac and cheese if it weren't for that so we're mac and cheese yes what's your biggest
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dadism which that you would that you could proclaim from the dad law from the book what's your
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biggest dadism something you can't constantly give you crap for I'm certain that it is in
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year and it may and I think it's something that I came up with so it's not like a cliche thing but
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you know you correct me if I'm wrong but I say it is all the time there'll be like we're such
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and such in the houses of mass and I say the first step to finding something is to start cleaning up
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I say that all the time and now I just go first step to finding something and they know the rest
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I'm certain it's in there just because it's something I say all the time but I don't know that that's
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necessarily like a cliche what's your favorite dad joke you have just like a terrible dad joke
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that always makes you laugh and similar to that your kids would be like okay great you know another one of
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those dad jokes there's so many things about the dad that is a lie when it comes to me like I don't
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I don't tell anybody if this isn't being reported but I don't I don't like grilling
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I'd rather cook on a cast iron skillet and have all of my kitchen I see a lot of content from the
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dad about manning the grill and being on that barbecue don't tell anybody I don't I don't know
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cargo shorts I have the white new balance but only for video shoots and so I don't think that I
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tell too many dad jokes like the cheesy kind I don't think I do I started to like ironically
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and it kind of stuck a little bit I think that's how they get you which is another dadism but I do
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get asked this a lot so I do have one handy and ready to go let's count you're handy one give me
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your hand it's is more of a story really but last night I rearranged the labels on my wife's
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spices and the spice cabinet and she hasn't found out yet but the time is cumin
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I like it I like it I like it but I said that one on the radio and I just made it my daughter
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earring it and she rolls her eyes so her genomes falls asleep oh that's that but that's what dad
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jokes do what's nice like my kids are at an age now we're like dad jokes are great it's
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any jokes great I mean like my kids think I'm the funniest greatest thing in the world so I'm just
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gonna keep I'm gonna keep reaping the benefits of that until they get to the point where they're like go away dad
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only my wife and also rise right now that's I'm at the point where like my wife just rolls her eyes but the
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kids just love it and that's what I see it's the kids energy that's the audience I'm trying to please
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never my wife I don't please my wife never my wife that's right they're feeding them bear they're
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feeding them bear with the laughter and you're gonna keep that you're gonna keep ample fine
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that until it comes back to bite on when they uh when they don't they don't care for it anymore
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it will come so what's up and you learned from your first kid that helped you with your second
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kid something that you went to known had you not had a first child oh um I feel like it's a little
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more universal but like I feel like with your first one you're very concerned about everything maybe
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little overbearing in particular about things which is good it shows that you care um I think I think you
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can overdo it I think having a little bit of a they'll figure it out on their own kind of mentality is
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definitely helpful and I think that only comes with the second the second child what gives you the most
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pride as a father oh my gosh there's so many things if it's taken me a while to answer it's just because
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there's there's a lot my kids are are amazing they're the best just so so funny and intelligent I
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guess I would say this like I feel very proud when they can do things completely without me
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I guess they don't need my help and they can go off and do something maybe they have a problem and they
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just figure it out on their own and they have that confidence to be able to think like I can figure this
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out and then they do and then they they've accomplished it because that's what parenting is all about it's like
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raising your kids to get to the point where they don't need you at all just as terrible
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like just trying to face you try to face yourself out that's all you're trying to do is make yourself
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less needed yeah yeah I'm gonna be obsolete so when they when they do that I'm like yes I'm doing
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my job that's great and any advice for new dads or you know expecting dads of things that maybe you
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botched out the gate something that you maybe did that you're like well maybe back in time
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my maybe shouldn't have done that or just a learning experience that you could help one new dad
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maybe avoid I think the nature of that like what do you what do you regret question it can tend to
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instill some fear and new dads like there's going to be all these things that I need to be careful not to
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do or all regret it or whatever so I want to answer it that way I'll just say this just try your best
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like just show up do your thing don't worry about it you're gonna mess some stuff out probably
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definitely you will so instead my advice will be this take lots of pictures and videos
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social media gets a bad racket rightfully so for a lot of reasons sometimes I'm like why am I
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posting on social media all the time why am I doing this what's the point but then I get hit with like
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memories like 10 years ago you know such and such and I'm like I yes this is why
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so take take this photos and videos you will definitely regret that if you don't so then you have
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all that stuff look back on all right I love it and leave me off with your definition of a good father what's
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the definition in your mind of a good dad is a good dad is someone who tries is you know does
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their best that's it I mean being involved like a dad is involved good dad is involved in tries
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involved tries and eats tiny bites whenever whenever he has the chance the microscopic bites
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the very very teeny nipples I think they're teeny nipples I like it contact the nvesto marketing people
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I don't know thank you so much for hopping on yeah love it thanks for having me
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my thanks to Joel for taking the time to hop on the podcast was really good to connect with him he's
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obviously somebody who's been able to harness being a father into producing content more than most
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people I know so he's done a really great job at that and really great guy and yeah looking forward to
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checking out dad law if you want to follow him on social you could check him out at the Joel Willis that's
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the Joel J.L. Willis W. I. L. L. I. S. on Twitter Instagram and please subscribe to the podcast like
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review share with your friends always appreciate the support since we spoke so much about little bites
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I think I'm going to go have some chocolate chip little bites take a bag for my kids I'm Tyler Gillman
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this is father material
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father material that my daddy I work my daddy he and I can do it by you.
